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Old 10-03-2007, 06:52 PM
JMaguire JMaguire is offline
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Apple Arrogance Unleashed!

From a Datamation article:

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/col...le.php/3703216


"I'm a big fan of Apple products. But there's no escaping the fact that Apple has always been, well, arrogant. Which was fine -- their superiority complex has always been both partially deserved and one of the company's motivations to strive for better things. But in the past few months, the company seems to have crossed some kind of invisible line, now brazenly pissing off not just competitors, but its most devoted fans, closest partners and industry supporters."

What do you think?
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Old 10-03-2007, 11:07 PM
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From a Datamation article:

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/col...le.php/3703216


"I'm a big fan of Apple products. But there's no escaping the fact that Apple has always been, well, arrogant. Which was fine -- their superiority complex has always been both partially deserved and one of the company's motivations to strive for better things. But in the past few months, the company seems to have crossed some kind of invisible line, now brazenly pissing off not just competitors, but its most devoted fans, closest partners and industry supporters."

What do you think?

I think the internet is magnifying this hundreds of times over. Apple gets hits and sites get paid by the hit. I've seen the 'bricking' of iPhones in PRINT in one newspaper I read. ONE! My Moto V9 has a section in it's contract that says "I agree that I will not modify the Software" and "I will not reverse engineer, disassemble or decompile the Software." I'd bet that the iPhone has that too. Users should take the responsibility that they knowingly and willfully violated a contract they signed!

Of the 6 friends, 'cow'-orkers and partners of mine that own a iPhone none of them are having troubles. I quick question this evening while we had a night out for some drinks indicated that only one had even heard of the problems. In his case, as a state prosecutor his was singularly unmoved by the plight of those who hacked the phone.

I'll repeat again; Users should take the responsibility that they knowingly and willfully violated a contract they signed!
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:07 AM
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Mike,

Should Apple be rewarding those that hack their iPhone, especially the geeks that really know better!

Now its clear that they risk the tribulations......these same geeks know how to get back to ground zero and keep their iPhone clean until the OS is stable under Leopard which is soon to come.

There will be plenty of apps that will work with Leopard and when apple is ready to provide an elegant solution beyond web based applications. You will see a kit soon (by MacWorld) to facilitate developers. Apple will build a whole community around the iPhone just like they did with the iPod.

Look for a made for iPhone program soon.....

By the way, the reason Apple is different than all the other phone manufacturers is that iPhone runs off a modified OS X, so its important to the overall concept of "it just works" must and will be maintained.

The future of Apple has never been more positive, despite all the spin and fud being created .... mostly from defensive competitors who have so much to catch up on that they are not even in the ball game.
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:20 AM
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What do you think?
ding ding. Time to drink your kool aid Apple loyalists.....

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Old 10-04-2007, 10:20 AM
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Apple and it's fanatics have always had the religious ferver of a medevil crusader or a Muslim Jihadist. When you can do no wrong, it isn't considered arrogance.

I am sure that all the people who are harmed by their attacks on the iPhone and forcing them to upgrade the OS for their Macs were thrilled by the obvious insult to Microsoft.

Now we get to see what happens when they insult their faithful.
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Old 10-04-2007, 11:49 AM
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The only Apple products I use are iPods, but not for long, since the new promising Zunes are coming this November. So long and thanks "ipod".
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Old 10-04-2007, 04:31 PM
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The only Apple products I use are iPods, but not for long, since the new promising Zunes are coming this November. So long and thanks "ipod".
The iPod Nano Video is pretty slick and small. Zune changes are suppose to be primarily software. I have a Zune and it seems pretty boxy and big. I'll give props to Apple on moving forward with good changes in their MP3 hardware....

Brad!
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Old 10-04-2007, 06:09 PM
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Thumbs down In response to your question? Yes you should shut up.

You buy a product because of what it is not because of what you want it to be. So if it's not what you want it to be... DON"T BUY IT!

Everyone knows that prices drop on electronics. If you want to be the first one to own something, you know that you're paying a higher price than people down the line. If the price is more important than having it first, well WAIT UNTIL THE PRICE DROPS!

Everyone was fully aware that Apple did not support third party apps and unlocking the phone. So why should they stay up all night trying to make sure that their updates don't interfere with those apps or the unlock? Because you want them too?! LOL

The problem does not lie with Apple but with irrational bloggers like yourself that have absolutely nothing to contribute and constumers who think they are entitled to anything and everything their heart desires.

The reality is that the vast majority of people are happy with their iphone. I have an iphone and every day I'm more amazed at how well it works.
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Old 10-05-2007, 11:27 AM
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Regarding, Apple Arrogance Unleashed!

Lets call it windows arrogance, or just plan uninformed talking about things they no nothing about arrogance!

I find that most windows users only use it becuase they get it for free at work and do not know there is a better alternative. Than there are the so called geeks that think Apple can not be tinkered with. In both cases the uninformed. Than there are the IT guys from India, China and Pakistan that only know windows and make their living on it and do not want anyone in corporate to know about alternatives.

Yes these windows users are arrogant and down right nasty to Apple users.

I call it windowspeak!
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Old 10-05-2007, 11:43 AM
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I pay for and use Windows 2003, Windows Vista, Exchange, etc. along with FreeBSD at home because Apple very limited products are simply not compatible with products used by friends and family. Why would anyone choose to use software that produces output that can't be shared?

Apple hardware costs 2 or 3 times as much as the equivalent non-Apple hardware. Apple is arrogant.
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Old 10-05-2007, 01:33 PM
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another mis-imformed windows user

Wrong, the only application a home user MIGHT use that does not have an easy equal in the Apple included office suite is Access the data base.

All web apps are compatible as is Word, Excel, Powerpoint, wave files etc.

When one compares say a dell with similar quality hardware and included productive software even PC mag admits Apple's line of products is a bargain.

So please look into a new trouble free and productive Apple product next time you purchase. You will be glad you did, and have soo much extra time on your hands from not having to patch and reboot and patch and blue screen reboot, you can actually create some original software content to share with family and friends.

I am not being arrogant just factual. Since I use both but MUCH prefer Apple!

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Old 10-05-2007, 02:40 PM
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How about the rest of the MS Office 2007 applications I use at home weekly in addition to Access such as Visio, MapPoint, Publisher, Power Point, Front Page, SharePoint Designer, InfoPath and Accounting? I've found that most non-Microsoft applications that are supposedly MS compatible are not fully compatible because they use old file formats or do not support all of the product features. Even MS Office 2004 for Apple OSX, the latest version is not compatible with MS Office 2007 for Windows.

I doubt if Apple has compatible clients for Exchange Server such as Outlook Web Access Premium or other server products a home user might use.

I rarely reboot a Windows system more than once a year or if there is a kernel patch. All other patches can be done without rebooting. Virtually all of my home systems run 24/7/365. I've never had a BSOD except because of a hardware failure.

The only internet down time I've had is when both the cell tower and the CO switch went down during an extended power failure. My home can run for over a month without external power.

Your argument about more maintenance time and down time for Windows just isn't true unless the user has not bothered to read the fine manual. The same is true for any endeavor even operating OSX. If one does not care to learn how to operate something, they will have problems and make mistakes that cause more problems.

Apple hardware is very limited in its features and functions. The Mac Pro is the closest fully functional PC that could replace my desktop. With SATA drives instead of SAS drives (no software), it priced out at over $15,000 at the Apple Store. That is ~2½ times what a similarly configured non-Apple system priced at.

If I was to move away from Microsoft, it would not be to Apple or OSX. I would switch to BSD. I wouldn't have to purchase all new hardware either.

BTW - I have one free standing, non-networked Pentium II box that has been running FreeBSD for years without a reboot or a patch. If it works, don't fix it.
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:03 PM
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you are not the typical windows user so there is no point in your argument for this

forum. There is really nothing that can not be done in the OSX BSD Unix environment. Now with Parallels you only need one PC. When I need it to work Apple always does, the software and system match and are consistent. Office for Mac is the best microsoft product they make, the windows version is pretty bad compared to it.

I do not believe you on the no reboot in a year with windows, no way Jose! If you do a security patch you have to reboot eventually. Even a significant upgrade in the OSX environment needs a reboot.

I work in an overly secure windows environment, might call it paranoid, reboots 2 to 3 times a week are the routine. I also monitor the IBM VPN windows environment, it just is a BIG headache on travel with hotel WLAN or LANs. You get infected with spyware, get quarantined, get patched, get the blue screen, etc. I witness it regularly. To change from LAN to WLAN you HAVE to reboot!

In the OSX Apple environment, none of this EVER happens, it just works! Try it before you criticize it!
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:42 PM
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Believe what you will. You don't seem to understand how Windows works. If a patch is not to the kernel, all one needs to do is restart the affected services or software to effect the change. Do you even look at the patches to examine what they are doing and which code files they are modifying? I doubt it.

I have never been infected with a virus or malware of any kind. Application proxy servers are designed to prevent that. Since 1980 I've had an always on, non-switched network connection at home . Though retired, I travel extensively and run web, ftp and email servers on my home network to support my family and my own needs. My machine room/comm closet is dark and headless.

You are still ignoring the issue of compatibility and interoperability.
That is the main issue and Apple's biggest shortcoming.
I don't care if Apple and OSX can walk on water. If they can't inter operate with others, they might as well pass water because they are useless to me.

I forgot to mention the most important non-Microsoft applications I run on Windows at home are modeling and photo analysis programs such as Maya that use OpenGL. This is one area that Apple and OSX can compete.
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